Posted by: Lisa Hill | May 25, 2012

The Landmark Herodotus, edited by Robert B. Strassler

The Landmark HerodotusWhy should anybody not a student of Ancient History be bothered reading Herodotus?  Good question, and my answer is, for fun.

This is not what I would have said back in the days when I was studying Classics at the University of Melbourne.  Classical Studies was not actually my initial choice for a second major: it was more a matter of what lectures were available as evening classes. However I soon fell in love with the subject because I had some wonderful lecturers to ignite my interest – notably Professor Michael Osborne, and Denis Pryor who took us for Greek and Roman Lit.  I ended up spending many happy weekends absorbed in the books and journals in the Classics Library but keen as I was, I only browsed and read the required sections of Herodotus and his successor Thucydides. (I never got to Xenophon at all).

When one reads these key texts as a student, there’s an academic agenda underlying that reading.  We had no personal computers or laptops in those days, much less an iPad, but the pen was always busy taking notes for the impending essay or exam.  When one reads these histories for fun, at leisure, and spread over weeks and months of reading only when the mood strikes, one can enjoy the gossipy bits, the quirky details and the observations that remind us that the Ancients were not so very different to us after all.  So any student dropping by to find erudite quotables will be disappointed with my thoughts here – this post is strictly frivolous.  Serious scholars who’ve stumbled here should abandon this site immediately…

The HistoriesThe other point to note is that there’s no way I could have afforded these lovely annotated editions with their bountiful maps and illustrations, even if they’d been available back then.  These are handsome investment editions, and even though they are now much cheaper than they were when first published, (and you can get them in paperback) they’re still more expensive than the Penguin versions equivalent to the edition that I still have from all those years ago.  (It’s just called The Histories).  The Landmark Series is an indulgence.

The Introduction by Rosalind Thomas explains the caveat for the use of the title, ‘Histories’.  Herodotus was a Greek who lived in Ionia in the 5th century BCE.   Using ‘research’ from his extensive travels, his ‘Histories’ is a narrative explaining how the Greek city states briefly stopped arguing with each other to stave off conquest by the mighty Persian Empire.  Herodotus was actually the world’s first historian, though not in the modern sense of the word.  He blends facts, legends and bizarre digressions about gold-digging ants and hippos with manes like horses.   And, just as the rigours of travel can muddle the details for contemporary travellers who are blessed with cameras, SmartPhones, Moleskine notebooks and travel blogs, Herodotus didn’t always get things right.  He didn’t always write things down immediately; he wasn’t always discerning about the veracity of other travellers’ tales making their way into his histories; and he was a creature of his time, convinced that there were gods running about and influencing events.

His immediate successor, Thucydides, was snooty about Herodotus (without actually naming him) and in some ways with good reason: his History of the Peloponnesian War is more coherent because it’s written as a chronological narrative.  Thucydides skips the gods as agents in human affairs, and (though scholars argue about this, as scholars do) his account appears to be unbiased. But he is coy about his sources, whereas (even when he thinks what they say is ‘silly’), Herodotus almost always attributes his sources, and often offers multiple accounts leaving the reader to sort it out for herself.  I like this, and I also prefer Herodotus’ less dry style.  Thucydides is inclined to be a little rather pompous.  Herodotus is more like a bloke at a bar in a pub, getting sidetracked from the main game, but much more interesting.

Anyway, much of what Herodotus tells us is verifiable using modern scholarship, and his labours give us a marvellous picture of life among the ancients.  It’s for that reason that readers will find that allusions to Herodotus crop up in all kinds of places, and so he’s worth reading much as the Bible is, or Shakespeare.

I can’t remember if Thucydides has much to say about women.   But in Book One Herodotus tells us some interesting anecdotes about two queens of Babylon, Semiramis and Nitokris.  These women had a practical turn of mind, Semiramis organising engineering infrastructure to prevent flooding, and Nitokris diverting the Euphrates with channels as a defensive strategy against enemies.  She had a sense of humour too, for her tomb was inscribed with a tantalising offer of money inside it – along with a stern warning not to touch the tomb unless the money really was needed.  And it was actually left alone until Darius the Persian King (522 -486) happened along.  He quickly succumbed to temptation and the ruse was revealed: no money, just scorn for his greed.

Herodotus was no feminist, though.  He strongly approves of the Babylonian system of auctioning off its women so that the high prices paid for the beautiful could subsidise the dowries of the plain who would otherwise not had husbands at all.   On the other hand he describes another of their customs as disgusting, and I’m inclined to agree.  These unfortunate women, rich or poor, once a year had to ‘sit down in the sanctuary of Aphrodite and have intercourse with a stranger’… receiving silver tossed into their laps as recompense.  (And the silver, being sacred property, can’t be spent either).   Curious how often it is that religious rites involve sexual abuse of women, isn’t it?

But that was not the only case of cruel practices in those days.  There was a fellow called Harpagos who plotted revenge for many years against his rival Astyages and it was this that led to a revolt by Cyrus who went on to become king of the Persians.   Astyages  (who was in power in Medea) suffered from that all too common omen that his son would usurp him, so he had sent Harpagos to kill the boy.  When he eventually discovered that Harpagos hadn’t done it, he had the son of Harpagos killed and served him up to the unsuspecting father on a platter.  And then he had the nerve to criticise Harpagos for helping the Persians!  He ended up being enslaved himself in the end, which seems a mild enough punishment to me, though a bit rough on his subjects (the rest of the Medeans) who’d already  had to put up with his cruelty for 35 years.

By the time we get to Book Two, Herodotus seems like an old friend.  I was fascinated to see that more than two millenia ago, the Persians were interested in the origins of life.  They wanted to know where the earliest people on earth emerged.  And how to find out?  With another example of extreme cruelty.  Two infants were selected from among the ‘ordinary people’ and raised in a ‘secluded hut by themselves’, with no human contact and fed only by goats.  This was because Psammetichos (the Egyptian king) thought that the first sounds uttered by these poor children would reveal the answer.  It turned out to be ‘bekos’ (bread) in the Phrygian language so, lo! proof incontrovertible that the Phrygians were first, yeah! (Too bad about the children’s psychological development, eh?)

Sometimes, of course, Herodotus trips himself up with an opinionated observation where he comes off badly.  There’s a sequence which is rather droll for a modern reader who enjoys the benefit of modern astronomy: Herodotus pours scorn on various theories about the origins of the Nile and when it floods.  ‘A man could at least think logically about such things’ he pompously says, and then shares his own complicated little pet theory about the sun being driven off its usual course by storms …

Other observations are just funny.  He records that Egyptian women had only one garment while the men had two  – but fails to tell us what the women wore on laundry day – their birthday suits?  On the other hand he goes into more detail than you really want to know about how they care for, butcher and sacrifice various animals.  As well as the description of the hippo (which proves he never saw one), there’s also a lovely one about a pet crocodile with golden ear-rings and bangles on its front feet.  You can also learn all you ever wanted to know about embalming, and the ‘true’ story of Helen of Troy.

I’m working my way through Herodotus during commercial breaks of the current Masterchef season on TV.  There are soooo many ads I’ve read up to the end of Book 2 and we’re only up to Week 3! I’ll come back to this post when I’ve read some more as and when the mood takes me but I’m not reading this with any timetable in mind – that’s the pleasure of reading it when there’s no exam to pass…

Update: Book 3

Herodotus clearly relished  regaling his listeners with tales of sickening cruelty.  In Book 3 he goes on and on about mad King Cambyses (son of Cyrus) of Persia who inflicted countless acts of violence against all and sundry, including his own brother Smerdis and the sister he’d been given priestly permission to marry.  I was kind-of hoping he’d come a cropper in the desert when in rage he marched his men off without pausing to organise supplies, but no, of course, he survived, while heaps of them died and one division disappeared altogether.  Herodotus reckons they were caught up in a sandstorm, but I like to think that they got smart and deserted en masse.

As is wont to happen when a king is mad and has killed rather a lot of people, a usurper arose, and lo! it might even have been Smerdis if he wasn’t murdered as he should have been on Cambyses’ orders.  When Cambyses finally died of a self-inflicted gangrenous wound after seven years (much to his subjects’ relief) the Magus Smerdis took over granting tax relief to everyone, which is always a popular move… But was he the real Smerdis? Who knows? As modern rulers know, the populace like their leaders to have legitimacy, and even generous tax rates can’t always allay doubts.  It was all bound to end in tears for Smerdis and it did: a Conspiracy of Seven arose and bumped him off (and all the other Magi) so that Darius could become king.  Herodotus says that they still celebrate this day as a great festival, but I think the Iranian Revolution (the last one) has probably put paid to that….

What is fascinating in Book 3 is the mention of the tunnel works built by the Samians.  This edition really comes into its own with topics like this, for what seems like fairly dry information about a long tunnel suddenly takes on much greater significance when you see photos of the tunnel entrances and more significantly, the diagram that shows this tunnel stretching 4000 ft (1,330 metres) from one side of Mt Kastro to the other.  It was built to bring water from a spring on the north side to the south side inside the city walls, and it really is an astonishing feat of engineering. Herodotus was impressed, and so am I.  (Securing water supplies really was an issue for these ancient cities.  Herodotus ascribes some rare rain in Thebes to supernatural forces, because it had never been known to rain there before or since, and if you look it up on Wikipedia you will see that he was right to be astonished because the modern city of Luxor built around the ruins of Thebes gets by on 2.3 mm per year).

Book 3 is where we get the bizarre tales of gold-bearing ants; Indians wearing wool grown on trees (probably cotton); and very strange methods of acquiring frankincense, cassia and cinnamon (they lure birds down onto the ground with large pieces of meat and when the birds carry these up into their nests, the nests (full of cinnamon brought by the birds from who knows where) crash to the ground with the weight of the meat.  Oh yes, and there are sheep in Arabia with tails so long that the Arabians kindly make little carts to carry them…

The story of Zopyrus is the weirdest of all.  Darius was having a little trouble subduing Babylon, so Zopyrus, convinced of his own importance by the portent of his mule giving birth, decided to help out. The Babylonians had been holding out behind their stout walls for 19 months and he needed to convince them that he was a deserter, so he cut off his own nose and ears and told them that Darius was responsible.  (He was still apparently able to speak and hear well enough, I guess).  To convince them further, he led two (or was it three?) expeditions against Darius, slaughtering thousands of men from his own side.  After that he was trusted enough to be able to open the city walls up at a crucial moment and let Darius in to take the city, so I guess it was all worth it, eh? On to Book 4!

Update Book 4:

Book 4 is not quite so interesting, though one-eyed men, gold-guarding griffins and Issedonians who chop up the bodies of their fathers and mix them into a stew with their flocks and sacrifice them may be fascinating for some.  Herodotus himself is a bit doubtful about some of the tales he retells.   Mules apparently aren’t born in the land of the Eleans because of some curse,and hey, it’s too cold in Scythia for oxen to grow horns, and the horses get frostbite.  I do like this part LOL:

…it really makes me laugh when I see so many people drawing maps of the earth and not one of them giving an intelligent representation of it.  They draw Ocena flowing around the whole earth, portray the earth to be more perfectly circular than if it were drawn with a compass, and make Asia the same size as Europe.  (p296)

True, as Darius sets off on his conquest we meet the Amazons who know nothing about women’s work,  and the Makai women who wear leather bracelets declaring how many men they’ve had, but in general there is rather too much geography in Bk 4, and considerably more than you want to know about how the Scythians (thought to be nomads of the Crimea) treat the bodies of their enemies taken in war …

Update – yes, after a long hiatus, but Masterchef and the ad breaks are back, so here we go with Book 5:

Hmm.  Once again we get another example of the cruelty of the Ancients.  The multiple wives of a dead Krestonian compete for the honour of being declared his favourite wife, after which her throat is cut over the grave and she is buried with his body.   The rest of the Thracians export their children overseas.  Oh, and there’s a slave whose head is used as a message board:  Histiaios tattoos it (ouch!), waits till the hair grows back (would it, where it had been tattooed??) and then sends him off to Aristagoras with instructions to have a haircut when he arrives.

But while Herodotus seems rather too credulous about some things (e.g. unavenged ruses and so on) there is another example where he is happy to present two sides of the argument (e.g. whether the Crotoniates accepted foreign help to win their wars or not) and let the reader decide for himself.   He gets sidetracked from his story about how the Athenians rid themselves of tyrants with his discovery of how the Greeks acquired and then adapted their alphabet from the Phoenicians, and the notes says this is true.  How intriguing that even so long ago they were interested in knowing the origins of writing! Once he gets back on track he has this to say about Athenian equality:

So the Athenians had increased in strength, which demonstrates that an equal voice in government has beneficial impact not merely in one way, but in every way: the Athenians, while ruled by tyrants, were no better in war than any of the peoples around them, but once they were rid of tyrants, they became by far the best of all.  Thus it is clear that they were deliberately slack while repressed, since they were working for a master, but that after they were freed, they became ardently devoted to working hard so as to win achievement for themselves as individuals.  (p. 400)

Did I not just read in John Cusack’s book, They Hosed Them Out that a large percentage of the Nazi armaments manufactured by slave labour were deliberately defective?

(However, Herodotus isn’t always anti-tyrant.  According to the Appendix, although he denounces tyranny in Book 5, in later books he is not so critical, suggesting that since tyranny (usually lasting only a generation or two) was a common pattern of government, perhaps the Greek work simply meant ruling monarch).

There’s an interesting little anecdote about the origins of Athenian dress.  There was another of those endless territorial squabbles, this time with the Aeginetans, and whether by divine intervention or superior skill, the Aeginetans killed all the invading Athenians but one.  When this hapless fellow made it safely back home, the wives of the dead Athenian army stabbed him with the pins of their cloaks and the poor fellow died.  And so it was decreed that women were no longer allowed to wear Dorian clothing – with pins, but had to wear a Corinthian tunic which had no pins.  It seems a rather lame punishment to me….

By the end of Book 5 the Persians are back in the ascendancy – on to Book 6!

Update March 13th, 2014

You may have thought that I had abandoned Herodotus, but not so, I’ve been reading steadily – and have completed Book 6 which is much about the Battle of Marathon, so well known that there is not much to say except that Herodotus seems somewhat cocky about the Spartan refusal to join the battle because of their custom that they can’t march out to war except on a full moon.  Who cares, he seems to say, the Athenians won anyway.

The wickedness and cruelty of these rulers never ceases to amaze me.   (I know, I know, it was a long time ago, but still!) For much of Book 6 the Persians under Darius are on a roll, and when they suppressed the Ionian revolt they castrated all of the most handsome Ionian boys and gave the most beautiful girls to the King.  (They did all the usual sacking and burning too, of course, enslaving the Ionians for the third time (the first time to the Lydians and then twice to the Persians).  Ionia was a perilous island to inhabit indeed.

I was interested to see the Athenian reaction to the capture of Miletus.  With so much invading, capturing and enslaving going on, some cities were rather sanguine about the fate of their allies, but the Athenians were so devastated by the conquest of Miletus that when Phyrinikos produced a play about it, the audience wept and he was fined 1000 drachmas and ordered never to perform it again because it was too evil a reminder of what had happened.

I am now up to Book 7 which has introduced Xerxes and his plans to subjugate the Greeks.  What fascinated me here was the description of the bridge assembled from boats which reminded me of the Mulberry Harbour used in WW2 by the British.   It doesn’t say so on Wikipedia, but I bet the idea came from Herodotus, because all the British boffins and military leaders at that time studied the classics.

Anyway, this is how it worked.  The distance between Abydos on the Asian side of the Hellespont and the opposite shore on the European side is about 1350 yards, and it was bridged by hundreds of penteconters and triremes lashed together with cables, anchored to offset the winds, with wooden planks across the middles of the boats to form a solid bridge from one side to the other.  You can read about this at Wikipedia, but what WP doesn’t have is the photo of a modern bridge of boats on the Kabul River and the artist’s impression of Xerxes version.  It would, alas, be a breach of copyright to show them here but what the photo shows is the width of the bridge, wide enough for about 5 men, or perhaps 4 with laden donkeys.  The artist’s impression shows the construction of the bridge with most of it assembled and the last two being positioned in place.  It really is a stunning achievement.

Xerxes was not a man to be crossed.  He treated any warnings harshly, most grievously when he ordered the eldest son of Pythios to be cut in half and placed on either side of the road so that the army had to march between them, and most ridiculously when he ordered the Hellespont waters to be whipped, fettered and branded when the first boat bridge was broken up by a storm.  It is when Artabanos (most carefully) tries to advise him that he has two formidable enemies – the land and the sea – that Xerxes articulates the strength of his ambition, in words that do not seem as strange as his actual behaviour:

‘Artabanos, you have been fair and reasonable in your judgement of all these concerns, but do not be afraid of everything, and do not, in your considerations, give every factor equal weight.  For if you gave every matter that confronts you equal weight, you would never act at all.  It is better to confidently confront all eventualities and suffer half of what we dread than to fear every single event before it happens and never to suffer at all.  … Success tends to come to those who are willing to take action rather than to those who hesitate and consider every detail.’ (p. 519)

Now it so happens that I am also reading Machiavelli’s The Prince at this time, and so Artabanos’ next piece of advice struck a chord with me.  He tells Xerxes to tread carefully when he takes the Ionians who had been subjugated in Book 6, and not to demand that these tribute-paying Ionians march against Athens.  For – so reminiscent of what we read in The Prince – Artabanos counsels that if these Ionians follow the Persians, they would be unjust to enslave their mother city and therefore not be of much use to Xerxes, and if they turn out to be just, they will sabotage the Persian effort.  Either way they should, for entirely pragmatic reasons, be left alone.  Xerxes, of course, takes no notice…

Update 30/3/14

I finished reading Herodotus a day or two ago, and have spent the last couple of days reading the brief academic articles that form the extensive appendices at the back of the book.  Here there are explanations which sort out the veracity or otherwise of Herodotus account.  Yes, he was an Hellene recounting a history in which Greeks defeated the Persians against great odds, so there are exaggerations which make the Persians look more intimidating than they really were: if his account of the strength of Xerxes army were true, the column of march would have 2,000 miles long, with the head of the column reaching Thermopylae in Greece at the same time as the end of the column was marching out of Susa in Iran. (p. 819).  But the reader is cautioned against scoffing at Herodotus because as anyone who’s ever attended a crowd event such as a political demonstration knows, it is notoriously difficult it is to estimate very large numbers. Yes, Herodotus has little to say about women in his history, but there is a surprising breadth and depth there all the same even though his stated aim was not to present a comprehensive account but to report the remarkable and seek out side issues. (p. 841)   Yes, some of what he wrote about animals is fanciful too.

But still, it is exciting to read an author reaching out across thousands of years and when his account is the first extant text to document European encounters with other peoples, it’s remarkable to see his enthusiastic curiosity about all kinds of interesting things.  So for all his flaws, I’m very fond of Herodotus, and I’m very glad I spent my time reading this excellent edition of his work.

Editor: Robert B Strassler, Introduction by Rosalind Thomas, Translation by Andrea L. Purvis
Title: The Landmark Herodotus: The Histories
Publisher: Quercus 2008
ISBN: 9781847246868 (Hardback) 1024 pages

Fishpond: The Landmark Herodotus: The Histories

Other titles for your classics shelf in this series:

(These are available as paperbacks, but they are big heavy books of 1000+ pages and will almost certainly fall apart with reading so I recommend the hardbacks.  However, if you wish to find them at Fishpond, follow the hardback links above, and then click the link on Robert Strassler’s name.  eBooks are currently unavailable, but you may also be able to make enquiries from there.  (But I wouldn’t want an eBook version: the maps would not be big enough to see the details, and their value is in being able to see all three of the overlapping maps that show the locator map, the main map and the inset map.)

Landmark Thucydides The Landmark Xenophon's Hellenika


  1. Hi Lisa – the Landmark editions sound fantastic – my well thumbed paperback copies of Herodatus, Xenophon and Thucydides would look very shabby beside them. I’d forgotten how much I enjoyed reading Herodatus- he always had an eye for salacious detail even if he did fling mud at the Etruscans :)


    • Does he? I haven’t got to that part yet, I always assumed it was the Romans who gave them a bad press.


      • Romans, Greeks – both of those cultures conquered them and then wrote their version of history. Herodatus calls them ‘Tyrrhenians.’ He says they slaughtered the Phoecian population. What is interesting is that he claimed they originally came from Lydia and it appears that this could be partially true. Look up the story of Prince Tyrrhenus and the dice. I wrote about it in my novel as well :)


        • I do find the maps in this book very helpful for working out where these places are when they’re known by different names in different texts. I’d never have picked Tyrrhenians as Etruscans!


  2. Not frivolous at all! (Of course this is coming from a non-scholar) Glad to see you’re enjoying the Landmark version. You are correct on the paperback possibly falling apart–that’s what happened with my Landmark version of Thucydides.


    • Hello Dwight, lovely to meet another fan of the Ancients:)
      It’s such a good series, isn’t it!
      PS What a fascinating blog you have! Love the quotation from Virginia…


      • Thanks Lisa. I’m hoping to get to Landmark’s Xenophon in a couple of months…it is a great series.

        Regarding the Herodotus, I meant to say I love Landmark’s version so much I gave a copy of it to my sister-in-law last week for her high school graduation. You couldn’t tear her away from it the rest of the evening.


        • Ah, so we will see a review on your blog – yay!


  3. I must admit classic are my weakest area of reading I ve not read Herodotus his books are on a great long list of classics I have to get round to at some point as I try to fill blanks in my knowledge ,thanks for sharing lisa ,all the best stu


    • This is a good one to start with, Stu, because he has a chatty style and it’s easy to read.


  4. Love this post thanks Lisa. Came here looking for possible review by you of ‘The Transit of Venus’ to post on my blog about it and my eye caught Herodotus. Love him, the sound of this series and your stories about reading Herodotus. Thank you! (Didn’t know you had a classics thing too.) cheers, Jane


    • Hi Jane, thank you! I didn’t know I was going to have a classics thing until I stumbled into it *smile*. I love all those old Greek plays too, and will traipse far and wide across town to see any production that’s on. One of my minor ambitions is to take up Latin again when I retire, and read Virgil in the original…not sure about ancient Greek though, I’m having so much trouble learning the Russian alphabet for my trip later this year!


  5. Fascinating post, Lisa! I will come back later and read it in full and post a longer comment. Thanks for sharing your Herodotus reading adventure!


    • I wish I could scan some of the pictures, Vishy. I was reading tonight about how the Persians desecrated the Acropolis, and there was a photo of a side of it we never see (I haven’t visited Greece yet, we were going to go in 2012 but then there were all those violent protests and so we went to Russia instead). The photo showed some column drums that the Persians started to build their own temple with, and they have been built into the side of the Acropolis to remind the Athenians of what the Persians had done. It’s fascinating stuff. There’s also a photo of a Greek trireme called Olympus built in 1987 – and it sailed with the Greek navy!


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